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Why would Larry Silverstein rent a building with asbestos problems?

 

Wrong again. You have indicated in writing to me that some part of the Federal government caused 9-11, and in any event who caused 9-11 isn't central to me argument, so there is no "straw man." My arguments work no matter who was involved. 

" The Bush Administration behaves as if it has something to hide, not releasing information, stalling an investigation...." -- Rick
"I would not put it past those who benefit in the hundreds of billions from war, to do something to keep the USA at war. 
-- Rick (this implicates the Fed government unless you are arguing that Halliburton caused 9-11, but since you say the people planting the explosives and Larry Silverstein would be told that this would help the country...don't see how Halliburton or Lockheed Martin manage to pull that off.
" I certainly am not claiming, nor are most 911 truth sites, that George Bush deliberately planned it. Then we would have our "new Pearl Harbour."  We could tie it in to Iraq so the American public would let us go get Saddam.  Ok, let's pretend we don't know it is coming, and set up some drills that will take fighter jets out of the area, have NORAD stand down, etc."
-- Rick (use of the word "deliberately implies some complicity). Who could take fighter jets out of the area or have NORAD stand down, but the Fed government. For your statement to be true, the Fed government would have to be involved. 
"It is hardly proposterous that Bush and Cheney lied, as they did many times on record about WMDs. They exhibited guilty demeanor, and seemed to be hiding something, by refusing to testify under oath...."
-- Rick(so either Bush/Cheney or guilty or they are guilty of knowing and hiding something)
 
 
Mr X
 
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, <rick> wrote:
 
Straw Man again - putting an easily refutable argument of your choice in the other person's mouth.  Again, I did not say that "the government murdered 3000 people" so please stop that.  I do not believe Bush signed an Executive Order in the Oval Office to put explosives in the WTC.
 
The debate about the presence of explosives has been won for almost a year now, due to hard physical evidence.  Dr. Niels Harrit and Dr. Stephen Jones studied WTC dust and found it contains material with the chemical signature of nano-thermite explosives.  No one has yet refuted their study or found that the chemicals were anything else, such as red paint.
 
The material matches high tech explosives developed at places like Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.  Dr. Jones is still listed as Professor Emeritus at www.Physics.BYU.edu - Brigham Young University has no obligation to do that.  http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/currvitaApril09.htm
 
BYI also lists his Thermite study.  Why would they do that, unless they respect his work?  His resume was updated April 2009, AFTER he retired (with full benefits) in 2007 to include the study.  Evidently the early retirement was just to avoid distraction, and undue pressure from some powerful yet unfair influence.
 
I have no reason to suspect Dr. Harrit would lie, or jeopardize his career, tenure, or pension.
 
The dust contains 2Al+Fe2O3+Al2O3+2Fe+K+Si until anyone can prove the chemicals are otherwise.  An experiment of identification, simply finding what chemicals are present, is irrefutable.  It is what it is.  No one can fudge this type of science. The scientist simply reads the result from the X-Ray Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (XEDS). Another experiment, detonating the chemicals, resulted in a highly explosive reaction. 
 
The only possibility is that this Dr. Stephen Jones and Danish Chemistry Professor somehow purchased controlled American military explosives, without anyone knowing.  Why would he do that, and put his reputation and life at risk, even if he could?.  I am inspired, however to keep looking on eBay, and for a reasonably priced electron microscope.  XEDS gives the same chemical analysis results regardless of who uses them, regardless of wheter the scientist is Danish or Mormon.
 
Dr. Jones and Dr. Harrit welcome follow up studies of their work, offering assistance, and ask for any other explanation.
 
Justin Kios has also done a follow up study on it, hitting the unexploded red material with a laser, and it explodes.  Paint does not do that.  I would not want "paint" like that on my house.  Kevin Ryan discusses the need for publishing in refereed scientific journals.
 
In April of 2002, RJ Lee Group was retained by the law firm of Pitney Hardin Kipp & Szuch LLP, on behalf of the Deutche Bank, to oversee and investigate the presence, type, amount, and extent of environmental contaminants in the Building.  They found iron rich micro spheres, that require explosive-like temperatures to form (see page 16, 24 of attached PDF). In liquid form, iron forms tiny spheres due to surface tension.  The RJ Lee Group is a scientific analysis company with no relation to the Truth Movement or any bias.  Their very business depends on objectivity.
 
The US Geological Survey Report also reported these spheres.
 
Dr. Stephen Jones discusses the findings of the WTC dust and holes in the iron beams
 
 

The list of credible people who believe the WTC was controlled demolition can be seen with a Ctrl+F to Find "demolition" on www.PatriotsQuestion911.com 

 
911Truth.org has commissioned a poll by Zogby International (an independent survey company) in 2006 and found in several polls that:
44% believe Bush exploited 9/11 attacks
42% US government and 9/11 Commission are covering up
38% The Commission should have investigated WTC 7's collapse
45% Reinvestigate the attacks
19% The US media's performance was Poor
http://www.zogby.com/features/features.cfm?ID=231
 
 

>I have no idea what statement those 1,000 people signed

The petition that 1048 architectural and engineering professionals signed is visible from the "Sign the petition" button in the middle of www.AE911Truth.org
 
To the Members of the House of Representatives and of the Senate of the United States of America
 
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
 
Sincerely,
 
The Undersigned
 
 
www.AE911Truth.org
 
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php
 
 
Note how the names include their Architectural or Engineer License Number.  This is not some survey they quickly signed, but one they carefully considered, and were willing to include their professional credentials, including universities and firm names, risking their reputations for the world to see.  Each was called to get a fax of their certificate for verification.  The time to get on the list, and fax the verification would take at least 20 minutes of time from each signer, quite an investment, unless they believed in the cause.
 
Richard Gage just finished a 9/11 Truth Press Conference in San Francisco on February 19 and is going strong.  The number of member are increasing, not decreasing.  Standing up for the truth only takes boldness in the beginning.  Soon it will be common knowledge.
www.911Blogger.com
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----

From Mr. X

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: 1000 architects and eng

 

One comment on your 1,000 architects and engineers that support the position that the government murdered 3,000 people in downtown Manhattan on National TV.

 

The claim is unfounded until it is verified independently.

 

To verify is pretty simple: you hire an independent polling firm that calls a statistically significant sample (70 people?) and asks them, “Do you agree with the statement that the US government exploded the WTC buildings on 9-11? Yes/No/I don’t know.”  Would this cost even $1,000 to do?

 

I have no idea what statement those 1,000 people signed (what did the petition they agreed to say?). People (like Clark and Marshall) were critical of the 9-11 commission for whitewashing the Bush Admin security team and the intelligence community, but it does not follow from a desire to investigate our Intel community and John Ashcroft, that those people believe that Bush blew up buildings filled with people. (The Pentagon and CIA certainly didn’t blow themselves up so you are left with Bush).

 

In determining what causes a building to fall after it has been hit by a jumbo jet full of fuel at high speed, the only opinions that matter are from those with technical expertise to ascertain how buildings fall. That means PhDs in structural engineering or physics or a background in demolition of some kind. Perhaps civil engineering.

 

The 1,000 people number is irrelevant. I do not believe that 1,000 PhDs in America believe that the government blew up the WTC and killed 3,000 people. But it would be easy enough for the Truthers to establish that independently, which of course they don’t.

 


 

Have you noticed a trend?  Last year when we were discussing it, the www.AE911Truth.org web site was proud that over 600 architects and engineers signed on.  Now it is over 1122.  How many do you need?  Let's see how fast it gets to over 2000.
 
The Architects & Engineers are suing NIST "scientists" Sham Sunder and John Gross-negligence, who showed a sloppy scientific attitude, refusing to check for explosives and being forced by evidence to admit WTC7 free fall speed occurred for 8 floors. What's the big deal?  Why not check?  Just put the dust under a microscope.
 
Fireman Erik Lawyer of www.FireFightersFor911Truth.org said it is standard forensics procedure to check for thermite, even on a basic house fire.   He says it is outrageous that the evidence was removed from the crime scene and destroyed - unheard of.   WTC 7 was evacuated, so it cannot be an excuse that steel had to be removed to find trapped people, like WTC1 & 2.  He calls it "the most incompetent fire investigation of all time."   If you listen to ONE video, Erik is worth listening to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULmLtqRXZ4&feature=player_embedded
 
You object to the cost for a new investigation when we spent more on Clinton & Monica? 
Amount of money allocated for the
1986 Challenger disaster investigation: $75 million
2004 Columbia disaster investigation: $50 million
Clinton-Lewinsky investigation: $40 million
9/11 Commission: $14 million - the worst attack on American soil in the century.  
 
Bush took 411 days to put together an investigation, then only after pressure from the 9/11 victim families.  He hand picked some politicians, no scientists, then did not agree to be interviewed alone (standard), insisted Cheney would be with him, in secret, with no notes allowed.  Doesn't that sound suspicious to you? 
 
Have you noticed how more and more credible people are signing on to www.PatriotsQuestion911.com ?  (not less and less)
 
One of your major arguments is that if the 9/11 Commission was suspicious, the major media would cover it.
Have you noticed how 9/11 is now covered by the Washington Times, CNN, TruTV with all indications of more main stream media attention?
 
Reporters were at last week's convention in Valley Forge from ABC and RT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqQHHYaBsGg&feature=player_embedded#  American Broadcast Company
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-7GCs-2NUg&feature=player_embedded#  Russian TV
 
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
Mark Twain
 
We are Sidhas because we are not timid, just going along with majority opinion 
Most Americans don't meditate, and are living a life of illusion.  Mark my words,
some day the nanothermite evidence will be front page news on the NY Times.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: x
To: Rick
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Guru.com - to bring more internet based jobs to Fairfield to keep up the numbers in the Dome

 

What I don't understand is how your group can expect Congress and taxpayers to authorize another study, in addition to the one that was done for the government by the best civil engineers in the world, without first presenting independently reviewed evidence that what you claim is true. I can't think of any political area where you could expect action from Congress without extensive studies that have been reviewed for the science. 


Mr. X